Here are my two cents, for what they’re worth (not directed to any specific person, just thoughts that popped into my head as I was reading the blog and comments).

I don’t think homosexuality is “unnatural.” Homosexuality has been observed and documented in nature. What can be more natural than *nature*?

It is true that God told us, humans, to go forth and multiply. It’s also true that a homosexual couple can not create life the traditional way. However, they CAN procreate through many other avenues. A fertile gay man can donate his sperm to an infertile couple, find a surrogate who birth (using his sperm) to a child he will raise, or possibly “do the deed” (despite his sexual orientation) with his best female friend to give her the child she’s always wanted (that last example happens in movies, lol. It’s not too far fetched, though… is it?). The resulting child is HIS (and the birth mothers) flesh and blood. That’s procreating, isn’t it? A gay man, regardless of fertility, can give the gift of life to an adoptable child. In this case, the child is already living, but, from the moment of adoption until the time the child becomes an adult, the gay man is responsible for protecting that life and insuring the continuation of that life. That’s sort of a stretch on “giving life”, but it’s valid, right? A gay woman can accept donated sperm, and carry a child in her womb, and give birth. Or she can donate her eggs to infertile couples. That’s giving life. A gay woman can adopt. Homosexuals *can* give life. Many of them have done it. For those who CANNOT give life, or decide not to, they can care for a life that already exists, or indirectly create life by helping others create life (maybe a homosexual doctor or nurse can take part in fertility treatments or invitro fertilization for childless couples).

On the other hand, a heterosexual couple might not be able to have children. For reasons unknown to us mere mortals, God made infertile heterosexauls. Are those people somehow un-Christian because they can’t “go forth and multiply” as God directed us to do? What about fertile individuals who DECIDE not to have children? Are they sinners for not having children? I doubt it. Gold told us *as a race* to have children. To populate the earth. He did NOT tell each individual that they must have children, or be damned to hell. As you can probably tell, I don’t think the “they can’t have babies the traditional way” argument is valid in any way, shape or form.

On another note, modern science believes homosexuality is not a choice (in most cases). It is often genetic. Science believes homosexuals are born that way. If this is true, which I believe it is, how can someone be a sinner simply because they were born the way God made them? I must admit that I don’t have a mind for science, and I have never studied theoligiy intensively, so I freely admit to my simpleness and ignorance on this topic. But, in my simple mind, it only makes sense that a person who is born a homosexual is not a sinner solely because he or she is attracted to the same gender. Otherwise, God wouldn’t have made that person – or at least wouldn’t have made them gay.

“Does homosexuality bring forth life??!! No! If the Creator meant for homosexuality, why wouldn’t the Creator have made it possible for that (uggghh!) to bring forth life?”

Do you say that to your heterosexual friends as well? You know, the one’s who can’t get pregnant for one reason or another, whether it be because of a male or female issue? Probably not.

These folks can’t really bring forth life either, in the way you are describing. However, I have met quite a few homosexual and hetorsexual folks who have adopted the life that someone else has brought forth.

I have seen gay folks reach out and adopt those kids that many other people don’t want….the older ones….the troubled ones. I even know a couple who decided to adopt three kids because they were all related and they didn’t want to seperate them, although their original intention in the beginning was to only adopt one child.

I think in a different kind of way, these folks I’ve mentioned (whether gay or straight) bring forth life and help it to grow.

Very well said!!

My dad loves to use similar arbitrary arguments.
For me, because of the fact that most heterosexual Christian’s view of homosexuality is skewed by their own knee-jerk reaction, I don’t trust their interpretation of the Bible on the subject. Ya know, I could judge a lot of things by what makes me go “Ick!!”. Sometimes the thought of any of my hetero friends having a+b sex with their spouses just makes me shudder, cringe and think “You did WHAT?” So based on that reaction I could say that hetero sex is unnatural as well. It is, after all, unnatural to me. But that’s how they express their love toward each other and I respect it and have learned to regard it as a beautiful expression even if it doesn’t do anything for me. At the end of day there are many sexual acts and most (lots of straight, as well as gay) can be classified as unnatural in some way. And it has become my personal belief that it’s not the sexual act itself that matters so much as it is the heart behind the act.

Also, ‘natural’ doesn’t equal ‘good’ anymore than ‘unnatural’ equals ‘sin’. In the Bible, the words natural and unnatural are used in several often contradictory ways. For example:
-Natural man cannot receive the things of the spirit. Which would imply that the things of the spirit are unnatural to us in some way. (1 Cor. 2:14)
-And when God justified the Gentiles (a good thing!!), and not just the Jews, based on their faith in Jesus, this was described as contrary to nature (Romans 11:24-incendently the same exact wording as in Romans 1:26)

Not only is ‘natural’ or ‘unnatural’ very subjective, but it just isn’t even a good indicator of right or wrong.

Anyway, this was a really good post!

You can’t be both.

lesbiansaidwhat: thanks

Mattiah Curtis: That is the sort of logic that used to allow men to simply desert a wife who wasn’t having kids, because obviously God had not approved of their marriage.

Bohemian Prose: Or the suicide and depression rate could be because they are rejected by their families and condemned by their church. Yes- they question if it is wrong. They must question that, because people walk around carrying signs that say things like “God Hates Fags”. It’s obvious the Church thinks it’s wrong, so anyone who loves God and doesn’t follow the “straight and narrow” path of sexuality will inevitably question themselves. I’ve been close friends with people who struggled with their sexuality- and the struggle wasn’t because they where “tempted” into something they knew was wrong, but because they were trying to force themselves to be straight, to feel straight, to be attracted to the opposite sex, and they simply weren’t. I can understand the argument that if they are faithful and wait on God he will reveal the right path to them, but the simple truth is that as long as we keep pretending it is their fault that they are gay and it is wrong to simply BE gay, actual sexual intercourse aside- that it is simply wrong and immoral to have any sexual orientation other than heterosexuality- we are hurting people.

I simply do not believe that sexual orientation is a choice.

EVERYONE ELSE: Thanks for all the cookies and love! (and wvhillcountry- I’ve got a totally nonsexual girl crush on you as well! I can’t wait for the day we really meet.)