Gay Marriage Vs. Polygamy and Bestiality
I recently read an article in which the interviewer asked the interviewee “Where is the harm in allowing Gay people to marry?”
The interviewee replied by asking where the harm would be in allowing polygamy. It’s a common ploy, responding with a question that diverts from the responsibility to answer the actual question asked. And, honestly, activists for gay rights should be expecting it by now. The question of polygamy is almost inevitably asked, along with “what would the harm be in allowing a person to marry a dog”.
I will take the time to answer both of those questions.
Polygamy
Aside from the fact that the topic of polygamy makes people uncomfortable, there are other reasons that it’s a bad idea for society. First, let’s look at a society in which polygamy was allowed, a society that most Christians are in fact familiar with. The Isrealites were polygamists. Some of Christianity’s most famous names took several wives. Jacob had both Leah and Rachel, King David had his many wives, including Abigail and Bathsheba, Solomon had his wives as well as his Harem, and a lot of Israelite men found themselves inheriting the wives of dead brothers. Why was polygamy so widespread? Women in those times were not seen as whole beings. They could not own property or legally stand up for themselves. They were wholly dependent on the “kindness of strangers” to get by should they be widowed and they had no one to take them in. And one must also look at the circumstances of the time- the Israelite people went to war often, they were exiled and returned and exiled and returned. This left the men with a shortened lifespan. With men dying young and widows having no recourse, polygamy made sense- give the widow and her children to another man who could use the extra hands to keep his home in order and allow his possessions to grow. Give the woman a man to stand up for her and be sure they are cared for. Polygamy, to say it plainly, served a purpose for such a society.
It doesn’t make sense for ours. Women still have a longer lifespan then men, but our lot in life is radically different. We can own property, seek employment, legally stand up for ourselves. We are just as capable of men in all ways, including being able to vote. There is also the question of the fairness of polygamy in our society. Let’s say that a man can have, oh, fifteen wives. What happens then? Fifteen women marry a rich man, giving him four kids each. Thats sixty kids for Rich Man, all of whom will have a better chance of recieving an education, recieving health care, and finding gainful employment. Poor men, on the other hand, would never be able to support that many kids, or even more than one wife. If we think that the upper class is insulated now- imagine what polygamy would do. Rather than giving billions to charity, a rich man would split his billions among his myriad of progeny. Societal lines would darken.
It could get nasty.
Not to mention the legal rights of the multiple women (or men) involved. Rather than divorce meaning a fair distribution of property, if one of five women were to divorce a man, she may be left with few options. How, exactly, would one decide on a fair distribution of property in a polygamist setting? Would the amount of rights afforded to each woman be equal to the amount of women married to one man? And if that were the case, how many women could we allow each man to have before it would become an unfair burden to each wife involved?
And then let’s talk about the reverse affect- would one woman be able to take multiple husbands? And if that was allowed, how would the burden of siring children be divided? It would be wholly unfair for one husband to father all of the children, leaving the other husbands with no heirs.
I have seen arguments for how gay marriage can improve society- I have seen no such argument for polygamy.
Bestiality.
I hardly feel this is worth addressing, but address it I shall. So… if a man can marry a man, isn’t the logical next step that he can marry his best friend? His dog?
NO.
Marriage is a legal institution, and it was made a legal institution for the protection of both parties concerned. Marriage affords a married couple many rights, including combining wealth and a fair division of wealth upon the dissolusionment of the marriage, health care, visiting rights, parental rights, and the list goes on and on.
Now, let’s say that Billy marries Fluffy. Will Fluffy then be on his company insurance card? Will Fluffy be able to visit him in the hospital? Should Billy decide to divorce Fluffy, will she have partial custody of Billy’s children? Will Fluffy get half the Estate?
Should Billy suddenly, tragically die, how exactly will Fluffy manage as the executor of the estate and a legal parent to Billy’s children that he adopted with her as his wife?
It reads as ridiculous because it is ridiculous. A dog is not a woman. A dog cannot be given the same legal capacity as a woman. End of story!
Gay Marriage
This post is long, so I’ll keep it brief. Marriage affords a certain amount of rights and a certain amount of responsibilities. We’ve already discussed some of the rights, rights that I think should be afforded regardless of the gender of the two people involved. Now, let’s talk about the responsibilities. Let’s talk about the fact that if a gay man adopts a child as a single parent, or “gives birth” due to the miracle of surrogates, egg banks and in vitro fertilization, and he starts to raise this child with his partner, both of them acting as a parent, until the relationship dissolves… having allowed that couple to marry will mean that the child is left with both parents in his life. That is good for society.
Imagine a lesbian couple where one gets breast cancer and can no longer work. Her partner supports her for a time but wearies of it and leaves- as these things do happen. Having allowed that couple to marry means that the sick woman is afforded some legal protection, like spousal support or her spouse having to continue to provide medical insurance until the poor sick woman can get some elsewhere. Unmarried partnerships do not carry such responsibility.
Imagine a gay couple where one partner bought a house, furnished it, took care of it, did everything… and one day he simply kicks his partner out. Allowing them to be married means that the “lesser” of the partners is still given some amount of legal recourse, instead of simply being thrown out with no possessions and no roof over his head.
Marriage is not only a right but a responsibility, a responsibility that I think that homosexual couples should be welcome to share. I realize that not all heterosexuals accept this responsibility- but at least they are legally able to should one or both couples desire the protections it affords.
It would be better for society if all willing people were able to engage in marriage, so long as marriage remains between two consenting human adults.
Question, comments, accusations- you know where to put them. (In the comments, silly!
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Christian Housewife visits Atheist Site.
A few days ago an atheist by the login name of croixian1 left a comment telling me that God was a “magical faerie” and asking me to visit his site.
Anyone who knows me at all would realize that I then had to visit. No one is ever allowed to question my faith and have me not respond in some way. Really. Croixian1’s site offered very little that I found compelling, aside from a post which called the recent overturning of the gay marriage ban in California a “bad day for bigots”. Well, Thank God I’m not a bigot! It was a good day for me.
In the side bar he linked to a bunch of other sites that are supposed to also help me realize why God is Imaginary. Most of them talked about thinks like there being no quantitative proof that prayer works, or talking about the inherent hypocrisy in Christianity and how Christians don’t actually behave as if Christ were real.
Guess what? I agree wholeheartedly with many of their assertions, but I still believe that God is real. My favorite of the sites, simply enough called God is Imaginary had a list of several things to contemplate as “proof” of God’s unreality. I take issue with several of their points. I won’t go through them one by one all in one fell swoop because who has the time… but I will address a few here. Like their “look at your church” point, in which they describe a church that is moving onto 33 acres and building soccer fields and a new building with a “huge” sanctuary and library as “your typical church.” I don’t know what America those guys live in, but in my small town the “typical” church seats about two to three hundred, barely has sufficient parking and doesn’t pay their pastor much. In small towns the country over that is the case. Why a few hundred “mega” churches are accepted as the norm and the standard by which all churches should be judged baffles me. It’s simply not logical.
They also offer the fact that “You ignore Jesus“. I hope they didn’t mean me. They show several verses in which Jesus talked about the fact that we should sell our possessions to feed the poor, not acquire wealth, and serve God not money. All great verses. All teachings that I follow. We live in the first floor of a rental house and live sort of communally with our upstairs neighbors, sharing the work and sharing our things. We drive two vehicles, one a van we bought from my parents very used and the other another used car. We paid cash for both. We don’t have credit cards. We don’t have many possessions at all. We live a lifestyle of sharing and giving and work with our church to take care of our neighborhood homeless. My husband and I follow those teachings. So, people who made God is Imaginary, you lose on that point as well. Are there many Christians who don’t follow those teachings? Yes. Are there many who don’t know Christ? Yes. But this little Christian does.
There also seems to be a focus on the fact that many Christians don’t believe in evolution and thus Christians are irrational. Guess what? I don’t believe in the “Young Earth” teachings. I believe that evolution isn’t necessarily at odds with faith. If to God a second is a thousand years and a thousand years is a minute, then how do we know how long those seven days took? The Bible was written by humans and thus is open to human flaw, as human understanding simply cannot encapsulate the Godly mind. We don’t know how our Earth was created- but believing that it was created is still entirely possible.
I looked at the entry titled “Think about a Christian Housewife” because I am one, and I wondered if they might have anything interesting to say about me. They posed a situation in which a housewife prays for God to help her clean a mustard stain off of her favorite blouse and that prayer was “answered” and then they ask why the same housewife couldn’t just, you know, pray for poverty to be eased or the hungry to be fed.
Kiss my Christian Housewife Ass.
I never, ever, pray over such trivial things as a stain on a blouse. If I did, I’d spend my entire life in prayer as I’ve got two very young, very messy children. And I DO pray for the poor and the hungry. I DO pray for world peace. I pray for a lot of things which the people who penned that site have absolutely no concept of. Do I believe my prayers will be answered? That’s an insanely complex question to address and would take an entire post in itself, if not a series of them.
But one thing I am sure of:
If Christian Hypocrisy is the Atheist’s strongest argument against God, Christianity needs to change.
Thoughts for the weekend
- Part of being an adult is learning to regret. When I was a child, I didn’t regret. I always felt justified by what I felt in the moment. Now that I am an adult, I have learned that my feelings are not a justification. So now, I learn to regret.
- If I were to believe that people are inherently evil I would also have to believe that society is evil, and since society elects government and holds them accountable that would make government evil, and all of that would lead to me never wanting to leave the house. I’m glad that I believe in the goodness of humanity. It makes life easier to live.
- Not all things are either one or the other, some are both or neither, and that is maddening. It is maddening when I try to make a rational argument and have to find myself debating both points or none or introducing new arguments just to clarify. I wish rational debate were as easy as saying, “zero is nothing,” when zero is something. Damn it.
- Let your yes be yes and your no be no. And, when necessary, let your maybe be maybe. Again: damn it. Life can be hard sometimes, so whenever possible be clear and hold to your convictions.
- Act as you wish others would act, treat others as you wish to be treated, and in all things hold to compassion as the highest ideal of mankind. I have seen in my life, many times, that all of the love and good I sow around me is returned sevenfold. Those who live a life exemplary of love as God’s highest calling are never left with empty hands.
- Don’t be afraid. Why should you be afraid? Life is a transient thing, it comes and it goes, it waxes and wanes, there is pain and there is light. Like swimming in the ocean, if you clench in fear you will be drowned. If you surrender control, you will be buoyed. So swing your arms wide, feel the saltwater at your back and the sun on your face.
- Gratitude is a virtue- and a great one. Those who are able to feel profound gratitude always seem to find things to be grateful for, and their life is full of the knowledge of blessings. It’s a virtue I don’t always have but one that I pray for, because I want to be the kind of person who never lacks for a card to give or a note to leave or a phone call to make, just to say thank you.
Take some time this weekend to empty yourself, to sit in the sunshine and simply feel the vibrancy of the world around you. Allow your thoughts to think themselves.
Be grateful.
It’s spring, time to air out the mattresses and the men, so to speak.


Small note on comments
When commenting on my posts, please refrain from using talking points. When I write a post to the affect of “If we can’t be friends with Gay people we are inneffective Christians” and someone comments “Homosexuality is a sin” or I write a post that says “Don’t single issue vote” and someone responds “Abortion is murder” I get cranky.
And please, at least make an attempt at proper English. Especially if it’s your native language.
And also, keep in mind the fact that two perfectly logical and intelligent people can (and do) at times look at a single set of facts; and based on varying influences like past experiences, exposure to other cultures, and the way in which they were taught to practice critical thinking that these two perfectly rational people may, in fact, reach different conclusions.
The fact that I disagree with you does not make me naive, stupid, left-wing, a hypocrite, ignorant of the Bible, a false Christian, a Jezebel, or deceived by the Devil.
And you know what? If you infer any of those things, prepare for me to be defensive. And if I am defensive, don’t patronize me. That just makes you an ass.
(All loyal regular readers with whom I have a repoirte can disregard this note. That includes everyone linked to in the sidebar as well as e2c, M54, jaklumen, Stephanie, and Vanessa. Oh, and goldnsilver. And probably a few other people I’ve forgotten. Oh, wvhillcountry (I need to link you!) and… um… my brain is shot. I love all of my regulars. Really. Don’t be offended, please, even if we got off to a rocky start.)
May 18, 2008. Tags: asses, comment, patronizing, readers. weekend thoughts. 7 Comments.