Penalties for Abortion.

Apparently a great deal of my readers are avidly pro-life, which comes as no surprise to me.

So on my last post I received a lot of comments reading, simply put: Abortion is murder.

Let’s imagine that tomorrow Abortion becomes illegal. What, then, would be the penalty to the doctor who performs the abortion and the mother who requests one? Shall they be given a life sentence? A manslaughter charge of ten years? Negligent homicide (which hardly seems appropriate, as it’s not negligence), a misdemeanor charge? If it is truly murder, a mere fine seems insufficient.

What do you think?


23 thoughts on “Penalties for Abortion.

  1. Well currently the sentence for rape is 5 to 25 years in prison. Though that’s completely subjective to who’s doing it. Warren Jeffs was convicted of two accounts of being an accomplice to rape when his fundamentalist LDS camp was raided, and was sentenced to 10 years in prison. However Joseph Ratzinger aka Pope Benedict XVI has presided over the investigations and coverups of dozens of child molestation and statutory rape investigations, and the United States has agreed at the request of the vatican to not press charges against him as an accomplice to those crimes, even though at the time he was the prefect of the board investigating the cases and it was his direct responsibility and decision to conceal the crimes.

    So having said that I have to say that I’m in no way whatsoever qualified to determine what punishment suits the crime, because I simply can’t wrap my mind around the “intricacies” of law. Especially when religion gets involved.

  2. Let’s all play Massachusetts Bay Colony!!! We could brand people, or maybe just pin scarlet letters to their clothes…. but whatever shall we do with Rev. Dimmesdale?!

  3. L (and all), apologies for the sarcasm, but truthfully, some of the comments on your previous post sound like they’d fit in well with this scenario.

  4. E, you are killing me! But it’s okay. I understand your consternation. After all, once you start meting out punishments it stops feeling like acting like Christ and starts feeling like… like… *sigh* whatever shall we do with the good Reverend? 😀

    Tony: Did you really just bring up the Pope? REALLY? *lol* I get confused, too.

  5. Here’s where I confuse even myself.

    Doctors: They must practice medicine at a govenrnemt approved inner city facility or some other less than enveiable place at no charge three days a week for 5 years. Be put on probation for 5 years. This is for the first offense.

    Pregnant woman: Once a week the local news paper is to run a page with the pictures and names of the local women who have been convicted. Heck put the Doctors in too. No fines or probation for the women.

  6. Your readers, who in all liklihood take their morality from the Bible, should read Exodus 21:22-23.

    “If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life”

    There is some issue with the translation of ‘fruit depart from her’ but at least most Bible versions have it being either premature birth or miscarriage. Nonetheless, it is the Bible verse that comes the closest to considering abortion as a crime, but nonetheless it was considered a amerceable offense, not a capital crime like murder.

  7. Joshua, thank you, again.

    Here is the same verse in a few different translations, so that everyone can easily understand:

    (The Message): “When there’s a fight and in the fight a pregnant woman is hit so that she miscarries but is not otherwise hurt, the one responsible has to pay whatever the husband demands in compensation. But if there is further damage, then you must give life for life—eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

    (New Life) “If men fight with each other and hit a woman who is going to have a child so that she loses her baby but no other hurt comes to her, he must pay whatever the woman’s husband says he must, as agreed upon by the judges.

    I looked this up in about five different translations, and it all comes out to the same thing. Which makes me think- this verse makes the cost of the loss of a child one that is determined not by law or by standard, but by the perception of the child’s father. That is, it makes the cost of the loss of a child one of personal feeling, not easily definable.


  8. Joshua’s points are well taken. In this case the husband could suggest a certain fine. If the judge felt it was within reasn he would sanction it.

    However, if this resulted in both the mother and baby dieing then it was the death penalty. No questions asked. This was quick and reduced the need for jails.

  9. Or maybe we should just stone people to death, M54.

    I shudder to think that you actually believe the kind of brutality you’re suggesting (publishing picture!!! death penalties!!!) would do anyone any good.

    Tell me, would you really want to live under such an oppressive regime?!

    I highly doubt it.

  10. Or maybe some of you would rather wield branding irons?!

    – Sorry, I’m having a rough day and it’s showing in my comments – but the lack of mercy and compassion in these suggestions is beyond the scope of my understanding. Maybe someday I’ll get it, but … I hope and pray that that never comes to pass – and I am NOT being sarcastic in the least in saying this.

  11. e2tc; I’m sorry I did not make myself clear.

    I was commenting on the meaning of the verses in Exodus that Joshua mentioned.

    No, no, I take it back in my post I clearly stated in the first line “Joshua’s points are well taken. In this case the husband could suggest a certain fine. If the judge felt it was within reasn he would sanction it.”

    I think if abortion was considered murder that publishing the mother’s picture would be a merciful judgement. She would have some embarrassment but no money or other tangible fines. Again, I think your picture in the paper one time is getting off pretty light for a capital offense.

    e21c it is clear that I will not be able to invite you to my Christmass party.

    You chastize others for what YOU perceive is a lack of mercy and compassion yet you show none. You say it is because you are not having a good day? Here’s to better days for you!

  12. What about publishing the fathers’ pictures?!

    I don’t understand what you are saying re. your Christmas party, but that’s OK. (Seriously.)

  13. I am having a difficult day because of critical illnesses and deaths in my family, and other things that cannot be altered or reversed.

    Some days are harder than others when you’re grieving, being a caregiver for an elderly parent, and more…

  14. M54: I have to admit a little bit of befuddlement on the part of your punishments. For the doctor you prescribe a rigid punishment that would likely bankrupt the doctor- and for the woman public humiliation? How is this ethical or even equitable? Certainly the woman has as great a responsibility as the doctor does. Without her request the doctor would have no reason to perform an abortion. And public humiliation? Truly? When is that considered an ethical punishment for any crime? Sex offenders are put on a registry, but that is not to humiliate them. It is for the safety of the populace.

    I am truly confused.

    And E, I’m very sad to hear that you are going through a difficult time. If there’s anything I can do, let me know. Otherwise, prayers are offered on your behalf.

  15. Thank you, Lindsey.

    And M54, I agree with Lindsey about the humiliation (etc.) that you suggest. It seems very draconian – a lot like the kind of “letter of the law” followed in the Massachusetts Baby Colony, which was an attempt at theocracy. It ended up being a murderous (and highly fickle) dictatorship. (As suggested by many, including some of its own citizens as well as their descendants – Nathaniel Hawthorne comes to mind, you know? The Scarlet Letter, and so on.)

  16. Oh, I didn’t just type that – “Bay Colony” is what I meant! (am hoping that comes across as unintentionally humorous, rather than offensive – I’d never have deliberately typed that!)

    My typos show all too clearly that I’ve got more than a few things on my mind. 😉

  17. e21c I am so sorry for the difficult situation you find yourself in now. However, I am also thankful that you are able to be there for your loved one. One day, you will look back on this time differently. And sadly, I know too well about grieving.

    And regarding my Christmas party, that was just me being a bit sarcastic.

    Lindsey: Easy for me to distinguish between the two. First the doctor; They are typically well educated and may well take advantage of a lessor educated person. I think that abortion doctors do what they do strictly for the money. If they have to move out of their big house, sell their new car and work long hard hours for five years (like when they were in med school) I’m quite okay with that. I don’t care if the doctor has to move into a single wide mobile home and drive a three year old Yugo.

    Now for the woman; I see this woman as a desperate woman. After all she knows what she is trying to do is a capital offense yet she is so desperate she sees no other way out. Initially, she (ahd her man) were either careless, reckless or whatever. They BOTH knew that if they had sex there was at least SOME chance that she would become impregnated. Yet they rolled the dice. I’m sorry but I think your picture in the paper one time for a capital offense is getting off pretty easy.

    Now for the man: I would hold him MORE RESPONSIBLE than the woman. Here’s why. Men are driven by what they see. Women are enticed by romance. In other words, men can be ready to go at the drop of the hat (for the most part). Women on the other hand… you have to purposefully go after a woman. Give it some thought, get your game plan and act on it so to speak. Now if you are married so what same deal.

    The man: I would put his picture in the paper too and make him wear a red jump suit and pick up trash on the side of the highway.

    After the paper comes out a few weeks I think all these illegal abortions will stop. And after isn’t that the goal of this imaginary project?

  18. Out of time so please excuse me if this has already been said in the comments. Abortion is only seen as murder to those who don’t have to make the decision – when life happens and decisions need to be made it’s a whole different story.

    A very good friend of mine was gang raped, she was later again raped by one of the men and fell pregnant – she was against abortion before. She then fell off her horse breaking her neck and had to make a decision, she was just 16 years old and it was her life or the baby that was involuntarily conceived. The courts granted the doctors to do her abortion – in those days it was still “underworld”. When facing that decision she had to look at it realistically and openly, she is alive today, walking around, riding again and once a year she says a poem for her unborn child. People change their views when faced with life situations until then they are closed minded. People can say its murder till they are blue in the face, fact remains I would like to hear what they have to say when they themselves are faced with that decision…

    Great post as always 😀

  19. I pray I never live to see the day that women’s pictures are published to humiliate and be a warning to other women. Because although there maybe some women who use abortion as birth control, I know many women who have had abortions because of the lack of choice to be pregnant in the first place.

    3 out of 5 girls are sexually assualted, raped, molested before the age of 18. At least those were the stats. when I volunterred at a sexual assault center 10 years ago. And of those girls, quite a few end up pregnant because daddy didn’t pull out in time, or the man who raped her didn’t wear a condomn, or being drugged she was so ashamed to go to the hospital for the morning after pill.

    These women, and yes young girls, were not pregnant due to choice or their being irresponsible. Having to survive those life experiences and the experience of an abortion, and then have to face the public humiliation of their picture in the local paper? God have mercy on our souls if we ever lose our compassion to that degree.

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